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Bluefield area
Huntington area
Kanawha Co.
Marshall County
Randolph County (including some other counties
formed from it)
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Bluefield area
My name is David Crouch - crouchd@gsinet.com
Father - Harvey Crouch - Crumpler West Virginia - died 6/28/68
His Father - Waldo Crouch - died , Wife - Living - Bluefield WVA
Brothers: Stephen Crouch - living Richmond, VA; Robbie Crouch - living Afton,
Virginia
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Huntington area
Subject: BoardRoom: Crouch from West Virgina
From: Mark Crouch <grantjessica@hotmail.com>
Time: Sun, 14-Jul-2002
was wondering if any one had any info on the Crouchs' from west
virgina, they would be from the hunnington & milton area. I f
any one has any info on that please let me know. All I know is
the guy who's last name I have might be my father, I was told
his name is william otto crouch. thanks, Mark Crouch
Reply:
Subject: BoardRoom: re: Crouch from West Virgina
From: Angelia Simpkins <wsanders2@inetone.net>
Time: Wed, 31-Jul-2002
My grandfather's name was Paris Joseph Crouch (m. Edith Arbutis
Crouch). He has been deceased for many years, but my
grandmother is very much alive and kickin'. I will
inquire of her about your father's name to see if he may have
been related to my grandfather. We are also from West Virginia.
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Kanawha Co.
Thomas A. Crouch of W. Va., Friday 21-Apr-2000 13:51:15, 63.39.22.65
Looking for information on a Thomas A. Crouch born abt.1838. I believe his
Wife name might be Eliza born 1854. Children names where John R. Wiley S.
Julia Ida M. CHarles E. From Kanawha co. W. Va. Thanks , Connie, Ranson10@msn.com
Marshall County
Subject: BoardRoom: Melvina Crouch Craft
From: Bev Crouch Morgan <trevorsmeme@yahoo.com>
Time: Sun, 21-Apr-2002
Looking for any information on a Melvina Crouch, may of married
a Craft, his first name could of been Harrison. May of lived in
Marshall County W.V., in or around 1860. Also may of lived with
a family by the name of Piat. Robert, Martha Piat. If you can
help in my search for Melvina please E- Mail me at
trevorsmeme@yahoo.com. Thank you. Bev
Randolph County (including some other
counties formed from it)
From: Gary Saum <Smaug@cave.net>
Subject: RE: Sheriff John Crouch of Randolph County
Dear Mr. Crouch;
I have two part-printed deeds dated 1815 at Randolph County, Va. signed
by John Crouch as Sheriff. Would you be so kind as to let me know if
you or someone else in the Crouch family would have an interest in
purchaseing them. One is intact and in good condition, the other is in
two peices and in fair condition. I am asking $50 for the pair and will
provide a more detailed description and scans if you are interested.
Sincerely,
Gary Saum
Dealer in autographs and antique documents
Crouch & John Ryan, Thursday 6-Jan-2000 00:47:43, 63.21.115.122
Resubmitted. Any comments appreciated.
A history of the Stalnaker Family indicates that Isabella (perhaps Elizabeth
Isabella) Ryan was a daughter of John Ryan and Sarah Crouch. More recently
we have seen the same John Ryan cited with a wife as Sarah Talbott (with
a marriage date in Hampshire Co. VA). Both may be correct if Sarah Crouch
had married a Mr. Talbott and subsequently married John Ryan as the
widow Sarah Talbott. The known locations of John Ryan include only Randolph
Co. VA from which he filed his petition for a pension from service in the
Revolutionary War -- found citation in the VA listings of pensioners. John
Ryan is known to have settled very early on Teter's Creek in what is now
in either Cove or Glade District of Barbour County WV.
Actually his farm may have been in both districts as was probably also true
of the
adjacent farm of William Stalnaker (descendant of the Stalnaker family of
southern Randolph county VA and the only one who settled in the northern
part which became Barbour Co.) whose son married the above Isabella Ryan.
Does any of this match with your knowledge of any of the Crouches? I searched
for all of these names at your Heritage site with no luck. In fact I find
no clues to any of the Crouches that were settlers in Randolph County VA.
Nicholas Sturm, Nick_Sturm@msn.com
From: randystalnaker@webtv.net (Mrs. Randy Stalnaker)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003
Subject: John Crouch Sr, [from Wales]
I would appreciate it if you would post the following on the John Crouch
Sr. Family,
there is alot of confusion on this family, and several documents have
recently been located that prove that Maxwell's History of Randolph
County, WV, on the Crouch Family was incorrect, and that the information
he gives listing John, Andrew, and James as brothers is wrong.
Several documents have been found which contradict some of the
assumptions made by Hu Maxwell, [ History of Randolph County, WV] and
Homer Fansler, [ History of Tucker County, WV], about the family of John
Crouch Sr. One document in particular is a record of an interview with
David Crouch, son of John Crouch Sr, which substantiates and contradicts
Fansler's information, [ David Crouch Interview, Draper Collection
Manuscripts, Volume 12CC225-29, Nicholas County, Kentucky]
Fansler had no information showing where John Crouch Sr. lived prior to
his settlement on Cheat River in present Tucker County. David Crouch
stated that his father lived some years on the South Branch, went from
there to the Carolinas, lived two or three years on the Yadkin in the
same section with Boone, then came back again to the South Branch.
David described their settlement as being 50 miles from the South Branch
with five mountains to cross going there that were so steep a horse
could hardly carry a man over them.
David also said that "he was born in August 1767 on the heads of the
Mnongahela in Randolph County, Virginia and that his father was one of
the first settlers there. His father came to Tygart's Valley when David
was 3 years old." This part of his statement appears to be in agreement
with Fansler's article. John Crouch's settlement in 1766 on the Cheat
River, in present Tucker County, WV, would be considered on a head of
the Monongahela. According to David his father moved to the Tygart's
Valley in 1770 and not 1772 as Fansler concluded.
Maxwell's and Fansler's theory that John Crouch Sr., Andrew Crouch and
James Crouch were brothers and that Andrew had a mature son Joseph
before coming to the area appears to be totally incorrect.
The name James Crouch first appears in Alexander Scott Wither's account
of an Indian Ambush which occured in Tygarts Valley,[ Withers, Alexander
Scott, Chronicles of Border Warfare, 1895, pg. 287]. Withers states in
his book that James Crouch was wounded during an Indian ambush in March
1780 when John Nelson, John McLean and James Ralston
were killed. David Crouch named the same men as being killed in an
ambush during which his brother Jonathon Crouch was shot through the
arm. The name James Crouch does not appear in any of the early records
of Randolph County.
During the interview David does not mention his father by name, however
he does say that "the Commisoners appointed to adjust land claims sat
a
day or two at my Father's." The records of the Commissioners show that
they met at John Crouch's on March 23 and 24 in 1780. David stated that
Joseph Crouch was his older brother, therefore Joseph was a son of John
Crouch and not Andrew Crouch as Fansler assumed.
Fansler's account of the circumstances surrounding the death of John
Crouch Sr., also appears to be false. He states that John Crouch Sr.
was killed by a rattlesnake bite at his home in Randolph County in 1787.
David said that his father
lived in Tygart's Valley for seventeen years and that he and his father
came to Kentucky in 1787. David also said that when his father came to
Kentucky, he bought 5 miles this side of Lexinngton, moved to Bourbon
and from there to Ohio where he died. Fanler's reference to Deed Book
6, pages 659,663, and 665 for information on John Crouch Sr was found to
be incorrect. These deeds were recorded in 1815 from John Crouch, [son
of Andrew Crouch and Judith Westfall] Sheriff of Randolph County, and do
npt provide any information about John Crouch Sr. as Fansler states.
A petition by the inhabitants of the Tygart's Valley in 1776 shows John
Crouch Sr, John Crouch Jr, Joseph Crouch, Jonathan Crouch, and Andrew
Crouch were all living in the valley at the time. Records also show
that Joseph Crouch was born in 1748, and Andrew was born in 1750, which
also shows that they were brothers, not father and son.
In the first census of Harrison County in 1785 the following were listed
as living in the Tygarts Valley between Petty's Ford [near present day
Valley Bend] and the County line, John Crouch Sr., John Crouch Jr.,
Jonathon Crouch, Jacob Crouch, Judy Crouch and Joseph Crouch.
It appears that Judith Crouch, [Judy] was the widow of Andrew Crouch who
died or was killed prior to 1782. The exact date and circumstances
surrounding the death of Andrew Crouch is not known. The records show
that the estate of Jonathon Crouch was settled in 1786 and it was
Jonathon, not John Sr. that was killed by a rattlesnake bite as the
legend states. Based on the David Crouch interview and deeds recorded
in Randolph County all of the Crouch families, except the family of
Andrew and Judith Crouch, moved from Tygart's Valley to Kentucky prior
to 1800. The 1802 tax records of Randolph County shows only John
Crouch, and Andrew Crouch as being heads of households and Jacob Crouch
was living with Andrew Crouch, [ John, Andrew, and Jacob were all
children of Andrew Crouch and Judith Westfall ].
On June 7, 1786 John Crouch, son and heir of Andrew Crouch recieved 210
acres of land in Randolph County, [Randolph County Deed Book 1 page 15
]. John would have been about 12 years of age at that time and this
conveyance may have been the land transfer, under the law of
"primogenetin" [ giving all of the property to the eldest son
], that
Fansler was referring to in his book. On March 28, 1801 John Crouch and
wife Mary Nelson Crouch, [ daughter of Charles Nelson Sr. and Elizabeth
Fore ] conveyed this same 210 acres of land in Randolph County to Jacob
and Andrew Crouch, [ John's brother's ]Fansler states in his book that
John Crouch's son, Major John Crouch, was the first white child born in
what is now Randolph County. The census records show that Major John
was born in 1774, however other recorded documents show that John
Crouch's sons, John Jr. and Jonathon, were both born prior to his moving
to Tygart's Valley. Their names appearing on the petition in 1776 would
indicate that they were both over sixteen years of age at that time.
Records show that the following were the children of John Crouch Sr.:
Joseph Crouch, married to Elizabeth Warwick
Andrew Crouch married to Judith Westfall
Elizabeth Crouch, married to Henry DeLay
Eleanor Crouch, married to Chalres Nelson Jr.
John Crouch Jr., married to Sarah Nelson
Jonathon Crouch, died 1786 unmarried
Jacob Crouch
Sarah Crouch, married to John Ryan
David Crouch, married to Elizabeth Cassity.
For more information see Interview
with David and Elizabeth Cassity Crouch
OLDER MESSAGES FROM THIS RESEARCHER ABOUT THIS FAMILY:
Re: Elizabeth Crouch Wamsley, Randolph County WV
From: randy stalnaker <randystalnaker@webtv.net>
Time: Mon, 26-Aug-2002
Re: Elizabeth Crouch of Randolph County WV, who was the daughter
of Andrew, son of John Crouch Sr., all of Randolph County WV and wife of
Samuel Wamsley--
I am researching Andrew Crouch, 1750-1780, and his decendants,
Andrew,being my greatx5 grandfather, Elizabeth my greatx4 grandmother, and
all data I have seen published on Elizabeth states her birthdate as
1789, and I am trying to figure why most researchers accept this, when
Andrew's date of death was 1780?
Here is the information I have so far on
this line of the Crouch Family, from different sources, the most
accurate info.
I have come up with is from a fellow researcher whose interests are in
the Crouch Family members from this line
that moved later from Randolph County
to Kentucky, my interests are with the
only members of this line who remained
in Randolph County, that being the
widow of Andrew Crouch, [Judith Westfall
Crouch] and her 4 children: Andrew, Jacob, John, and Elizabeth.
>From The History of Tucker County, WV
by Homer Floyd Fansler, Published in
1962 by McClain Printing Co. in Parsons,
WV:
Page 46, reference # 83:
After the Indians broke up the first settlement in Tygart's Valley,
nineteen years elapsed before another attempt was
made to occupy that region. In 1772, a
number of men from the Southbranch, and
some from the Greenbriar River, moved
their families into Tygart Valley, located at
Beverly, Huttonsville, Elkwater, and Valley
Head. Among those colonists were the
Crouches, Haddens, Warwicks, Wamsley's, Westfalls, Nelsons, and
Wimoth's, all English. The Currences,,
Irish, the Wilson's, Scotch, and the
Stalnaker's, German. I am related to the
Crouch, Wamsley, Westfall, Currence, and the Stalnaker families.
In the meantime that part of Randolph
County that later became Tucker County,
was settled by John Crouch. The John
Crouch cabin stood a half mile from the
forks of the Cheat River, and a half mile
from the city of Parsons, in Blackman
Flats.
WV Historical Marker, located near the
South intersection of First and Main Streets in Parsons reads:
PARSONS, John Crouch, pioneer settler,
established "tomahawk rights" here in
1766, the first settler of Tucker County
WV.
John had 7 children: David Crouch,
Joseph Crouch, John Crouch Jr., Sarah
Crouch, Elizabeth Crouch, Andrew Crouch, and Jonathon Crouch.
John left Blackman Flats and moved to
Tygart's Valley about 1770, early researchers had little accurate
information
about this family, there were actually
several Crouch families that arrived in
Tygart's Valley in the early 1770's, and in
an effort to account for them, most assumed that there were 3 brothers
from
Wales, John, Andrew, and James, there
is no actual documentation for these
assumptions, and there may have been
3 brothers from Wales, but they were
not this line of Crouches.
There are land records for John Sr., John
Jr., Andrew, and Joseph,
John Sr., left with son David, [and family],
for Kentucky around 1787, then in 1789,
Joseph, John Jr., [and their families], also
left, and moved to Kentucky. Elizabeth,
who at that time was married to Henry
Delay, followed soon after with her family.
I have no info. on what became of Sarah.
Thus leaving in Tygart's Valley the only
Crouches from this line left, the widow
Judith, [wife of Andrew], and her 4 children. Andrew died in 1780,
Jonathan
in 1786.
I am still researching the children of Andrew and Judith, John, born
1773, married to Mary Fornelson, and had 7
children, after Mary's death, he remarried
to Elizabeth Whitman. Jacob married
Jane Smith, Andrew married Elizabeth
Hutton, and Elizabeth, married Samuel
Wamsley.
Elizabeth's birth date is listed as 1789,
that date brings up a red flag, most researchers either do not notice
it, [ like me, until pointed out by Tom, a fellow
researcher of this family, with more accurate info., and sources than
anyone I know], or they don't care. After Tom
pointed it out to me, I have made it my
mission to find out the correct date of
her birth, her father Andrew dying in 1780,
and wonder why no one else has even
noticed it.
It is most important to me because, I am
a decendant of Elizabeth's daughter with
Samuel Wamsley, Sarah "Sally" Wamsley,
who married Issac Crouch, son of John,
Elizabeth's brother, Sarah and Issac being
first cousin's.
That is an early summary of what I have
so far of the earlier members of this family, they resided in
Huttonsville, Beverly, and other close towns, and I am
still researching.
Thank You, Randy
concerning the information on Isabel, from the
Stalnaker
Family Chronology, page 373, at the
bottom of the page, it says:
John Stalnaker, b 7 June 1829 in Harrison
Co; d 22 May 108 in Roane Co; married
19 June 185 Julia Ann Stalnaker, dau Samuel Stalnaker Jr. and Isabel
Ryan Stalnaker of Barbour County. I will check
into this more, and see what I can come
up with on John Ryan, and Talbott
There is a mention of Isabel Ryan here,
I believe the 10th paragraph, marrying
Samuel Stalnaker Jr., but no mention of
her parents, I will continue to look, as I
am very curious to find out if she was the
wife of John Ryan, if so, you are my hero, for pointing me this way,
will let
you know what I find, later Randy
X-URL-Title: Barbour County Genealogical Notes
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http://www.swcp.com/~dhickman/journals/V4I1/bcgn.html
In the very last paragraph of David
Crouch's interview in Draper's Manuscripts Collection, it mentions Mr.
Crouch's sister being married to a Ryan,
and since Elizabeth was married to
Henry Delay, I am assuming it is Sarah,
but we all know about assuming things,
I think this is a good tip, and thank you
for pointing it out to me.
I have a copy of this interview, and have
glanced at it briefly numerous times,
mostly for references to the Crouch Family in Randolph County, and
totally
overlooked that part of it, which should
tell me to read everything I find and
pay attention to all data listed.
As I said, my main focus is on the Crouch
family members in Randolph County
after John Sr. left, but have realized
that it will be important to have documentation of John Sr., his
children,
and their families, and all data that links
them as a family, and had no idea what
happened to Sarah, but I think this is it,
thanks so much, I will update you on
any more info. I come up with, Randy
X-URL-Title: George Yocum (Yokum) Interview, From the Draper Papers, Circa
1843
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http://www.swcp.com/~dhickman/articles/crouch.html
From: randystalnaker@webtv.net (Randy Stalnaker)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:06:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: Nick_Sturm@msn.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: BoardRoom: Elizabeth Crouch, daughter of Andrew Cro
I sent this originally to John Crouch at patriot.net, not knowing if you
will see it
I decided to send the same information to
you at this e-mail address, I also will for=
ward a few other e-mails sent after the
one you sent me.
In addition to the info. on this page, I have now data that confirms
that the John Crouch listed in the History of Tucker County, was the son
of John Sr, Andrew John Crouch, my greatx5 grandfather;
the information says that Andrew after
leaving Tucker county, lived at the mouth of Shavers Run, across the river
from the David Tygart's old cabin of 1753, about 5 miles below
Huttonsville, his son John was the first white child born in Randolph
County. Andrew's son was also called John Jr., and a lot of people
confuse him with John Jr., son of John Sr., but John Jr., son of Sr.,
married Sarah Nelson, and moved to Kentucky in 1789.
Andrew's son John inherited all of his
father's property, [Andrew died in 1780]
under the old English law of primogeniture, a principle of inheritance
by the first born. This is the only known case of the applcation of this
law of succession in WV.
John then went on to be Lt. of Militia, Captain of Militia, and Major of
Militia,
and is commonly referred to as Major
John. He served in the war of 1812,
was assessor of Randolph County in
1813, and sheriff in 1815.
No County Specified in W.Va.
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Does an Osias Denton Crouch fit in here someplace? His father, William
Crouch, came to Franklin Co, Illinois from W. Virgina around 1865. --
sbonne@aznet.net
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From: Charles.Lilly@patriot.net
Reply-to: CRLILLY@THEFREESITE.COM
Time: Tue, 19-Feb-2002 04:53:46 GMT IP: 64.75.158.42
James Crouch married Lear Wells and had descendants. I am one.
He lived in (#West Virginia?), Ohio, and Indiana, in the 1800's.
The Crouch family was supposed to be from Wales, in the 1700's.
Thanks,
Charles
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Subject: BoardRoom: Crouch, new info, Elijah
From: Bev <trevorsmeme@yahoo.com>
Time: Fri, 08-Mar-2002 04:45:42 GMT IP: 166.102.51.90
Hi, Have posted a new message. My father Houston b. 1800 in
Washington County. His father was Elisha Crouch Jr. Elisha Sr.
was the son of Elijah Crouch , but I do not know from where. It
was said that Elisha Sr. came here by pack horse, I know one of
his sons was born in Jefferson, Greene County, Pa. Family first
names: Elijah, Elisha , Stephen, Benedict, Mary, Isaac T. ,
James, Sarah, John, William, Adah, Mary Ann, Thomas, Nathan,
Hirman, Elizabeth,, Bennett, Nesbit, S. Bentley, Hudson,
Allison, Clyde, just some of them. I think they may of came from
Va. or W. Va. , since part of what was Va. became W.Va. Would
love to hear from any one with Crouch blood so we can see if any
thing matches on what I have found Thanks, Bev
Subject: BoardRoom: Sarah Crouch Snyder
From: Bev Crouch Morgan <trevorsmeme@yahoo.com>
Time: Sun, 21-Apr-2002
Looking for any informatiom on Sarah Crouch, daughter of Elisha
and Elizabeth Neal Crouch. If any one out there has any thing
they think may be a link please E-Mail me at
trevorsmeme@yahoo.com. Thank You, Bev
From: JIM.WELCH@dfas.mil
Jim Welch
ggrandson of William Woodson Crouch of VA/WV...
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/l/James--E-Welch/index.html
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